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I’m sitting in Cleere’s, a bar and theatre space on Elevated Street, just down from Kilkenny Castle, in the centre of Kikenny municipality. The place oozes artsy charm; there’s exposed walls, mature posters from past events – and legendary pub nourishment. I’m talking to Alan (pictured above, on the left, with An Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, centre), an ex-member of the organising committee for Pride in Kilkenny – until they couldn’t obtain the numbers in “But yeah I never really had an issue in Kilkenny, it’s quite a nice place to grow up. People are very accepting,” he adds.

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